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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ethan Thanks for the response.</description>
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		<title>By: ethan davidson</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/aspergers-at-work/#comment-25131</link>
		<dc:creator>ethan davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it&#039;s true.  A lot of Punk Rockers were, and are, right wing leaning, hostile inarticulate jerks.
  No, I don&#039;t expect the world to bend over backwards for me.
  I expect, and am greatful that I am able to expect, food, clothing, shelter, medical care, and relative freedom from harasment.
A lot of Punk Rockers were in favor of that, too (it never did have a unified ideology.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it&#8217;s true.  A lot of Punk Rockers were, and are, right wing leaning, hostile inarticulate jerks.<br />
  No, I don&#8217;t expect the world to bend over backwards for me.<br />
  I expect, and am greatful that I am able to expect, food, clothing, shelter, medical care, and relative freedom from harasment.<br />
A lot of Punk Rockers were in favor of that, too (it never did have a unified ideology.)</p>
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		<title>By: Yeah</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/aspergers-at-work/#comment-23740</link>
		<dc:creator>Yeah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so punk rock that I&#039;m anti-welfare and pro-private property! 

It&#039;s not very empowering to create a social cache for willing victims, is it? Where is the actual medical proof of a &quot;mental disorder&quot; such as Aspergers? It&#039;s misinformation gleefully perpetrated by the misinformed, catering to a variety of persecution complexes - not a catch-all invention created for convenience by the medical profession! You can&#039;t fit a jigsaw into a keyhole, so why would you readily accept information provided to you by a stranger who is intrinsically going to know much less about an &quot;Aspergers sufferer&quot; (read: person) than you do? They cannot read minds! 

If someone tells you that you have a mental disorder after a few weeks of reading off cards and ticking boxes on surveys and you actually believe it, then good grief. What&#039;s more, go look up Aspergers. Look for statistics beyond the lazy and amorphous &quot;25% of people acted like this, 65% like that etc.&quot;. There is no neurological or medical data on the subject at all. Just casual speculation. This is all well and good, if it&#039;s conducted on a purely experimental and diplomatic basis. Not foisted upon the public at large as a legitimate mental condition. This isn&#039;t to say that some people under the Aspergers bracket are not mentally troubled or deficient, but to suggest that it&#039;s an inadequate and slovenly label for them.

So many creative individuals are inexplicably branded Aspergers. Their uniqueness as people becomes a commodity. It&#039;s a desire to become merchandise. Representation is be picked up and put down, not worn.

It&#039;s another invented disease, can&#039;t you see? We gladly reach for any explanation, excuse or identity and this is no different. It is like LGBT &quot;rights&quot;. Choosing to band together under an identity is oppressive, not empowering. Why must sexual (and by extension to my argument general) identity be consolidated? Do you think allowing yourself to be willfully recuperated by readily available social accommodators will allow you some kind of freedom and leverage from powerlessness? Just as a heterosexual must make love to a woman, a homosexual man or woman subscribe to the values of their identity. Where does a transgender fit into this? How are they supposed to &quot;belong&quot;?

Coming back a bit, with the vast range of &quot;symptoms&quot; available to prospective candidates of the Aspergers label, where can it lead? What will Aspergers mean when it becomes too broad a label, too pertinent when considering the technology-encumbered hermeticism of our age? Another word for &quot;alienation&quot;, the new prozac nation? Everyone is disillusioned, everyone has problems. Where does a person with Aspergers &quot;belong&quot; then?

So quick to clamber onto some mirage of clarification, that it became a custom-fit set of blinders. You just bought into a clinical explanation for your meretricious feelings. How stupid.

Neurodiversity... yes, people are different. You got any more news? Why should the world bend over backwards for your sob story? Oh, because an upper-middle class professional sanctioned it, with his powers of clairvoyance. You&#039;re condoning their silly games when you enroll for this kind of no-show caring and sharing bluff. The willing victims/outsides of society, begging for rights and recognition of any sort, are the ideal cattle for tomorrow&#039;s daily grind. If you want a job, don&#039;t create a system that will push you through it in tedious fashion. Don&#039;t build your bids for liberation on the grounds of a society-must-accept-me argument, because then it will accept you - and then some.

If someone lacks the facilities neccessary for a job, they should look somewhere else, or work to achieve said capabilities. Not fucking hound the company to change their policies. I mean, wouldn&#039;t the kind of energy necessary for that kind of endeavor be better expended upon doing something YOURSELF? Isn&#039;t that a bit more punk rock than whining to some white-collar patsies to please, PLEASE give you a job? Erm, aren&#039;t you looking to escape from victimhood? If you are accepted into the workplace on the basis of said weakness, it&#039;s not really doing yourself a favour is it? Don&#039;t let insipid neurosis get the better of you.

I mean, in reality I like a lot of left wing ideas. But man, this kind of thing is something established professionals would do if their company suddenly fucked them in the bum. And they would argue to retain their positions. You are doing the same thing, but trying to retain the pitiful, narrow social roles that you&#039;ve accepted in your head when entering the real world. It&#039;s a fucking bad idea.

As Flaubert said about writing, &quot;Be regular and orderly in your life like a bourgeois, so that you may be violent and original in your work.

Yeah? Yeah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so punk rock that I&#8217;m anti-welfare and pro-private property! </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not very empowering to create a social cache for willing victims, is it? Where is the actual medical proof of a &#8220;mental disorder&#8221; such as Aspergers? It&#8217;s misinformation gleefully perpetrated by the misinformed, catering to a variety of persecution complexes &#8211; not a catch-all invention created for convenience by the medical profession! You can&#8217;t fit a jigsaw into a keyhole, so why would you readily accept information provided to you by a stranger who is intrinsically going to know much less about an &#8220;Aspergers sufferer&#8221; (read: person) than you do? They cannot read minds! </p>
<p>If someone tells you that you have a mental disorder after a few weeks of reading off cards and ticking boxes on surveys and you actually believe it, then good grief. What&#8217;s more, go look up Aspergers. Look for statistics beyond the lazy and amorphous &#8220;25% of people acted like this, 65% like that etc.&#8221;. There is no neurological or medical data on the subject at all. Just casual speculation. This is all well and good, if it&#8217;s conducted on a purely experimental and diplomatic basis. Not foisted upon the public at large as a legitimate mental condition. This isn&#8217;t to say that some people under the Aspergers bracket are not mentally troubled or deficient, but to suggest that it&#8217;s an inadequate and slovenly label for them.</p>
<p>So many creative individuals are inexplicably branded Aspergers. Their uniqueness as people becomes a commodity. It&#8217;s a desire to become merchandise. Representation is be picked up and put down, not worn.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s another invented disease, can&#8217;t you see? We gladly reach for any explanation, excuse or identity and this is no different. It is like LGBT &#8220;rights&#8221;. Choosing to band together under an identity is oppressive, not empowering. Why must sexual (and by extension to my argument general) identity be consolidated? Do you think allowing yourself to be willfully recuperated by readily available social accommodators will allow you some kind of freedom and leverage from powerlessness? Just as a heterosexual must make love to a woman, a homosexual man or woman subscribe to the values of their identity. Where does a transgender fit into this? How are they supposed to &#8220;belong&#8221;?</p>
<p>Coming back a bit, with the vast range of &#8220;symptoms&#8221; available to prospective candidates of the Aspergers label, where can it lead? What will Aspergers mean when it becomes too broad a label, too pertinent when considering the technology-encumbered hermeticism of our age? Another word for &#8220;alienation&#8221;, the new prozac nation? Everyone is disillusioned, everyone has problems. Where does a person with Aspergers &#8220;belong&#8221; then?</p>
<p>So quick to clamber onto some mirage of clarification, that it became a custom-fit set of blinders. You just bought into a clinical explanation for your meretricious feelings. How stupid.</p>
<p>Neurodiversity&#8230; yes, people are different. You got any more news? Why should the world bend over backwards for your sob story? Oh, because an upper-middle class professional sanctioned it, with his powers of clairvoyance. You&#8217;re condoning their silly games when you enroll for this kind of no-show caring and sharing bluff. The willing victims/outsides of society, begging for rights and recognition of any sort, are the ideal cattle for tomorrow&#8217;s daily grind. If you want a job, don&#8217;t create a system that will push you through it in tedious fashion. Don&#8217;t build your bids for liberation on the grounds of a society-must-accept-me argument, because then it will accept you &#8211; and then some.</p>
<p>If someone lacks the facilities neccessary for a job, they should look somewhere else, or work to achieve said capabilities. Not fucking hound the company to change their policies. I mean, wouldn&#8217;t the kind of energy necessary for that kind of endeavor be better expended upon doing something YOURSELF? Isn&#8217;t that a bit more punk rock than whining to some white-collar patsies to please, PLEASE give you a job? Erm, aren&#8217;t you looking to escape from victimhood? If you are accepted into the workplace on the basis of said weakness, it&#8217;s not really doing yourself a favour is it? Don&#8217;t let insipid neurosis get the better of you.</p>
<p>I mean, in reality I like a lot of left wing ideas. But man, this kind of thing is something established professionals would do if their company suddenly fucked them in the bum. And they would argue to retain their positions. You are doing the same thing, but trying to retain the pitiful, narrow social roles that you&#8217;ve accepted in your head when entering the real world. It&#8217;s a fucking bad idea.</p>
<p>As Flaubert said about writing, &#8220;Be regular and orderly in your life like a bourgeois, so that you may be violent and original in your work.</p>
<p>Yeah? Yeah.</p>
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		<title>By: ethan davidson</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/aspergers-at-work/#comment-20153</link>
		<dc:creator>ethan davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant to say &quot;the guys might not hang out with you after work, but whatever.&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: ethan davidson</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/aspergers-at-work/#comment-20150</link>
		<dc:creator>ethan davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lot of interesting stuff.
  RE: &quot;the past.&quot;
Well, most people did pretty simple work, the same work all theire lives with people who had known them all theire lives.  You know, you don&#039;t need good social skills to chop wood or pull a plow.  And folks might just say &quot;Well, that&#039;s Just John, he always was a little peculiare, but he&#039;s our boy and he can pull a plow with the best of us.&quot;
  Even in the days when most people worked in facotories, you learn to do one thing and your set.  The guys might hang out with you after work, but whatever.
  Now, think of all the skill you need besides the skills that the job involve.  Getting the resume together, the interview, the job search, and then the water cooler talk, office politics and on and on.
  This is a funtion of living in the post industrial world.
So now we have SSI, but now, the need for SSI is, perhaps, greater.
RE: PTSD: as a person who thinks he has mild aspergers I can say this.
  011 didn&#039;t traumatize me, I have no TV.
Survivng the 1989 erathquake in San Francisco didn&#039;t traumatize me, I was on the beach.
  Getting bullyed (torchered it a better word) by other children when I was a kid, that traumatized me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lot of interesting stuff.<br />
  RE: &#8220;the past.&#8221;<br />
Well, most people did pretty simple work, the same work all theire lives with people who had known them all theire lives.  You know, you don&#8217;t need good social skills to chop wood or pull a plow.  And folks might just say &#8220;Well, that&#8217;s Just John, he always was a little peculiare, but he&#8217;s our boy and he can pull a plow with the best of us.&#8221;<br />
  Even in the days when most people worked in facotories, you learn to do one thing and your set.  The guys might hang out with you after work, but whatever.<br />
  Now, think of all the skill you need besides the skills that the job involve.  Getting the resume together, the interview, the job search, and then the water cooler talk, office politics and on and on.<br />
  This is a funtion of living in the post industrial world.<br />
So now we have SSI, but now, the need for SSI is, perhaps, greater.<br />
RE: PTSD: as a person who thinks he has mild aspergers I can say this.<br />
  011 didn&#8217;t traumatize me, I have no TV.<br />
Survivng the 1989 erathquake in San Francisco didn&#8217;t traumatize me, I was on the beach.<br />
  Getting bullyed (torchered it a better word) by other children when I was a kid, that traumatized me.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowland Institute Library Blog &#187; Library News &#38; Notes 11/6/09</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/aspergers-at-work/#comment-19426</link>
		<dc:creator>Rowland Institute Library Blog &#187; Library News &#38; Notes 11/6/09</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bztat</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/aspergers-at-work/#comment-19245</link>
		<dc:creator>bztat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@akaBruno--With such variation in EAP programming, how could you ever gage usage on any meaningful level? If an EAP is simply I&amp;R, how would usage of that compare to usage of a broad based in house program?

@Alex-- You are so right. Borderline Personality Disorder is so misunderstood and services tend to be very misdirected. As a therapist, I can tell you that this is also perhaps the most misdiagnosed disorder out there. People (mostly women) who present as a difficult challenge to therapists often get the &quot;borderline&quot; label, even if they don&#039;t meet the full diagnostic criteria. Persons who do fit the criteria often do not get much help, as it is a very complicated disorder. I agree that offering resources and supports can be a great benefit, however, I do not see companies rushing out to do this for folks who have troubling workplace behavior.

@HRPufnstuf--You are so right. It is less difficult to accommodate someone with an obvious disability than it is for someone whose disability results in behaviors that diverge from company &quot;norms&quot;. It also doesn&#039;t help that the psychological and neurological professions have no consensus about how to support and accommodate people with emotional-behavioral challenges. Perhaps if mental health concerns were more of a priority in the health care arena, mental health professionals would be compelled to stop being Pollyanna bleeding hearts and would come up with some clear guidance for employers. Not gonna hold my breath.

HR pros are candid about sharing the flaws of their profession on this blog. Trust me, I know the problems in mine (mental health), as well. We don&#039;t do such a hot job a lot of the time either. But what can you expect of folks who are overwhelmed with society&#039;s most troubled people, yet often make less money than teachers and have poorer benefits?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@akaBruno&#8211;With such variation in EAP programming, how could you ever gage usage on any meaningful level? If an EAP is simply I&amp;R, how would usage of that compare to usage of a broad based in house program?</p>
<p>@Alex&#8211; You are so right. Borderline Personality Disorder is so misunderstood and services tend to be very misdirected. As a therapist, I can tell you that this is also perhaps the most misdiagnosed disorder out there. People (mostly women) who present as a difficult challenge to therapists often get the &#8220;borderline&#8221; label, even if they don&#8217;t meet the full diagnostic criteria. Persons who do fit the criteria often do not get much help, as it is a very complicated disorder. I agree that offering resources and supports can be a great benefit, however, I do not see companies rushing out to do this for folks who have troubling workplace behavior.</p>
<p>@HRPufnstuf&#8211;You are so right. It is less difficult to accommodate someone with an obvious disability than it is for someone whose disability results in behaviors that diverge from company &#8220;norms&#8221;. It also doesn&#8217;t help that the psychological and neurological professions have no consensus about how to support and accommodate people with emotional-behavioral challenges. Perhaps if mental health concerns were more of a priority in the health care arena, mental health professionals would be compelled to stop being Pollyanna bleeding hearts and would come up with some clear guidance for employers. Not gonna hold my breath.</p>
<p>HR pros are candid about sharing the flaws of their profession on this blog. Trust me, I know the problems in mine (mental health), as well. We don&#8217;t do such a hot job a lot of the time either. But what can you expect of folks who are overwhelmed with society&#8217;s most troubled people, yet often make less money than teachers and have poorer benefits?</p>
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		<title>By: HRPufnstuf</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/aspergers-at-work/#comment-19232</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurie, this is certainly an issue that exists, and needs to be discussed.  The issues start, in my opinion, in how we define diversity.  It&#039;s sadly a very visual thing for most corporate leaders.  The need to see people of different colors and genders in the work place.  When it comes to peoples with disabilities, that means wheelchairs.  It&#039;s sad, but in many folks minds it is definable and measurable (physical disabilities, that is).  Neuro issues are not easily defined (go figure, the brain is so friggin&#039; complex!), and in the eyes of many people, easily &quot;faked&quot;.  
This certainly means that companies haven&#039;t rushed in to accept these challanges and how do deal with them.  The other issue is the cost and confusion around accomodation.  Physical issues are more readily accomodated.  If someone is blind, provide voice recognition software, if they are in a wheel chair, build a ramp.  These accomodations can be utilized by others with the same disabilities (in general).  Where as two or more individuals with autism could (and most likely) would need very different accomodations.
I&#039;m not saying that attitude is righ, just that it is current state.  There are to many current and potential employees that are not being given the opportunity to contribute fully because companies are not actively supporting and championing their needs.  I hope that it will change sooner, but I fear like many things it will be later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurie, this is certainly an issue that exists, and needs to be discussed.  The issues start, in my opinion, in how we define diversity.  It&#8217;s sadly a very visual thing for most corporate leaders.  The need to see people of different colors and genders in the work place.  When it comes to peoples with disabilities, that means wheelchairs.  It&#8217;s sad, but in many folks minds it is definable and measurable (physical disabilities, that is).  Neuro issues are not easily defined (go figure, the brain is so friggin&#8217; complex!), and in the eyes of many people, easily &#8220;faked&#8221;.<br />
This certainly means that companies haven&#8217;t rushed in to accept these challanges and how do deal with them.  The other issue is the cost and confusion around accomodation.  Physical issues are more readily accomodated.  If someone is blind, provide voice recognition software, if they are in a wheel chair, build a ramp.  These accomodations can be utilized by others with the same disabilities (in general).  Where as two or more individuals with autism could (and most likely) would need very different accomodations.<br />
I&#8217;m not saying that attitude is righ, just that it is current state.  There are to many current and potential employees that are not being given the opportunity to contribute fully because companies are not actively supporting and championing their needs.  I hope that it will change sooner, but I fear like many things it will be later.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/aspergers-at-work/#comment-19231</link>
		<dc:creator>Deborah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for bringing up this topic.

My son is five and has just been diagnosed with Asperger&#039;s Syndrome. It is so painful because there is little tolerance and only a tiny bit of awareness of even what it is.  

I am an executive recruiter and I promise I will teach him as best I can to &quot;interview well&quot;, be polite and thoughtful, and put himself in another person&#039;s shoes (social skills) so that when he grows up he can be rightfully employed. 

But we to have those in positions to hire recognize that people with AS can be amazing in the right job--even if they &quot;don&#039;t give good interview&quot;. My son is really smart but I can see he is going to be a nerd. Please teach your children to accept the differences. And please open the boundaries of who you hire. Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for bringing up this topic.</p>
<p>My son is five and has just been diagnosed with Asperger&#8217;s Syndrome. It is so painful because there is little tolerance and only a tiny bit of awareness of even what it is.  </p>
<p>I am an executive recruiter and I promise I will teach him as best I can to &#8220;interview well&#8221;, be polite and thoughtful, and put himself in another person&#8217;s shoes (social skills) so that when he grows up he can be rightfully employed. </p>
<p>But we to have those in positions to hire recognize that people with AS can be amazing in the right job&#8211;even if they &#8220;don&#8217;t give good interview&#8221;. My son is really smart but I can see he is going to be a nerd. Please teach your children to accept the differences. And please open the boundaries of who you hire. Please.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of perspectives on concern re. Asperger&#039;s, and here&#039;s one more: folks who are &quot;borderline&quot;. 

A relative of mine falls in that exact non-category and in some ways I believe things are more difficult for her for that very reason. Wish there were resources for folks who are just &quot;off&quot; -- sensitive resources that don&#039;t make them feel bad but just provide support -- social groups, for example, or job resources. I don&#039;t believe there&#039;s anyone advocating in this area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of perspectives on concern re. Asperger&#8217;s, and here&#8217;s one more: folks who are &#8220;borderline&#8221;. </p>
<p>A relative of mine falls in that exact non-category and in some ways I believe things are more difficult for her for that very reason. Wish there were resources for folks who are just &#8220;off&#8221; &#8212; sensitive resources that don&#8217;t make them feel bad but just provide support &#8212; social groups, for example, or job resources. I don&#8217;t believe there&#8217;s anyone advocating in this area.</p>
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