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		<title>By: HRM Today - Blog Archive &#187; Health Insurance Results [Opinions]</title>
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		<title>By: Health Insurance Results [Opinions] &#171; Punk Rock Human Resources</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/health-insurance-benefits-the-marketplace/#comment-4676</link>
		<dc:creator>Health Insurance Results [Opinions] &#171; Punk Rock Human Resources</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dave Hardwick</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/health-insurance-benefits-the-marketplace/#comment-4675</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Hardwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all about what your definition for insanity is. Mine is &quot;continuing with a given behavior and expecting a different outcome&quot;.

First, for the money we in the U.S. pay for health care, the performance of the system is very, very poor v. other countries (I&#039;m not going to site the studies here, but can if someone wants them). We simply have one of the lowest value health care systems in the world!

Second, the more people we have in our population who don&#039;t get proper attention to infectious disease because they can&#039;t afford health care, the greater the chance that we&#039;ll have serious outbreaks of some kind. Thus, we&#039;re actually further down in the value equation than we think because we are increasing our risks of both deadly outbreaks, and in &#039;creating&#039; new strains of disease.

Third, why is it logical to have our health insurance through our employer? It&#039;s odd to me that it&#039;s considered a &#039;benefit&#039; when many of our policy makers assume it as a given. And, anyone who has ever shopped for healthcare insurance for personal use, or for a company knows what a nightmare the options are.

Fourth, if we all pay into a system, it might be possible to use this large amount of money to change some thinking regarding the behaviors that lead us into long-term health problems like obesity. What if the FDA revised its food pyramid to reduce our health costs instead of increasing the profits of the food industry firms and their lobbyists?

There is no question that this is a sticky wicket. One option might be to have national health-care insurance, and everyone can choose the level of service that they pay for

Regardless, the current system is broken. Needs to be fixed now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all about what your definition for insanity is. Mine is &#8220;continuing with a given behavior and expecting a different outcome&#8221;.</p>
<p>First, for the money we in the U.S. pay for health care, the performance of the system is very, very poor v. other countries (I&#8217;m not going to site the studies here, but can if someone wants them). We simply have one of the lowest value health care systems in the world!</p>
<p>Second, the more people we have in our population who don&#8217;t get proper attention to infectious disease because they can&#8217;t afford health care, the greater the chance that we&#8217;ll have serious outbreaks of some kind. Thus, we&#8217;re actually further down in the value equation than we think because we are increasing our risks of both deadly outbreaks, and in &#8216;creating&#8217; new strains of disease.</p>
<p>Third, why is it logical to have our health insurance through our employer? It&#8217;s odd to me that it&#8217;s considered a &#8216;benefit&#8217; when many of our policy makers assume it as a given. And, anyone who has ever shopped for healthcare insurance for personal use, or for a company knows what a nightmare the options are.</p>
<p>Fourth, if we all pay into a system, it might be possible to use this large amount of money to change some thinking regarding the behaviors that lead us into long-term health problems like obesity. What if the FDA revised its food pyramid to reduce our health costs instead of increasing the profits of the food industry firms and their lobbyists?</p>
<p>There is no question that this is a sticky wicket. One option might be to have national health-care insurance, and everyone can choose the level of service that they pay for</p>
<p>Regardless, the current system is broken. Needs to be fixed now.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/health-insurance-benefits-the-marketplace/#comment-4674</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 03:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Laurie,
From my perspectice its not so much about right and wrong, it&#039;s about necessity, cost, and access. Everyone deserves access at a resonable cost. We will never nationalize for the same reason we will never have a flat tax or ban cigarette smoking (why because to many companies are profiting from and have established lobbies in DC and every state in the country-imagine putting 400,000 CPA&#039;s out of work by creating a simple tax code that is fair to all- imagine no more lung cancer by shutting down big tobacco).
To me the solution has to be about bringing costs down,providing a back up to employer paid benefits (I would require all employers of 4 or more people to provide a majority contribution to medical and dental, and have a gov&#039;t program for those not covered-like medicaid with the same access to medical and dental)...no i am not running for office but I would force all medical insurance providers to go to one common platform for information/sharing that we make every process at every touch point in the medical world easier.Bring down administrative costs and make it easier for customers and providers...sounds simple...it will never happen.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Laurie,<br />
From my perspectice its not so much about right and wrong, it&#8217;s about necessity, cost, and access. Everyone deserves access at a resonable cost. We will never nationalize for the same reason we will never have a flat tax or ban cigarette smoking (why because to many companies are profiting from and have established lobbies in DC and every state in the country-imagine putting 400,000 CPA&#8217;s out of work by creating a simple tax code that is fair to all- imagine no more lung cancer by shutting down big tobacco).<br />
To me the solution has to be about bringing costs down,providing a back up to employer paid benefits (I would require all employers of 4 or more people to provide a majority contribution to medical and dental, and have a gov&#8217;t program for those not covered-like medicaid with the same access to medical and dental)&#8230;no i am not running for office but I would force all medical insurance providers to go to one common platform for information/sharing that we make every process at every touch point in the medical world easier.Bring down administrative costs and make it easier for customers and providers&#8230;sounds simple&#8230;it will never happen&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/health-insurance-benefits-the-marketplace/#comment-4673</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that healthcare is definitely an issue. I grew up in a family who couldn&#039;t afford health insurance, so I didn&#039;t get to go to the dentist or to the doctor unless there was a huge, major issue. However, I don&#039;t think nationalized healthcare is the answer. Having experienced the sub-par care in the military healthcare system, I wouldn&#039;t want to see that everywhere. Bad healthcare is NOT better than no healthcare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that healthcare is definitely an issue. I grew up in a family who couldn&#8217;t afford health insurance, so I didn&#8217;t get to go to the dentist or to the doctor unless there was a huge, major issue. However, I don&#8217;t think nationalized healthcare is the answer. Having experienced the sub-par care in the military healthcare system, I wouldn&#8217;t want to see that everywhere. Bad healthcare is NOT better than no healthcare.</p>
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		<title>By: amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In theory I think it sounds nice and warm and fuzzy to talk about national healthcare - I mean, who&#039;s really opposed to all people having access to decent health care?  But the reality, I think, would be ugly and that&#039;s unfortunate for all of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In theory I think it sounds nice and warm and fuzzy to talk about national healthcare &#8211; I mean, who&#8217;s really opposed to all people having access to decent health care?  But the reality, I think, would be ugly and that&#8217;s unfortunate for all of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/health-insurance-benefits-the-marketplace/#comment-4671</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that would be a taxable revenue stream...I am not gonna correct any other typos!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that would be a taxable revenue stream&#8230;I am not gonna correct any other typos!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/health-insurance-benefits-the-marketplace/#comment-4670</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think health care is a stinking swamp from which there is no clear path for escape.  You can&#039;t live with it, and you probably won&#039;t live long without it if something bad happens.

Money was never good under the HMO incentive concept.  Government can&#039;t run a program to save their ass. Look at Walter Reed Military Hospital as an example.

John McCain sees health insurance as a taxable revenue stram.  Barack Obama says he has a better plan, but I guess I am not smart enough to understand how it will work, yet.

It seems to me that a country like the US ought to be able to develop a fairly decent national system of basic coverage, which then could be augmented at various levels of coverage or service by the traditioal funders of today: employers, private indviduals, or in some cases, labor organizations.

Don&#039;t get me started on what some well known large employers might start to do would probably decide to do.

However, the sad reality is that goevernment is more likely to come up with solutions like they did for large joint multi-employer pension plans (think Jimmy Hoffa/Central States Pension Fund, which is perpetually underfunded) than they are to come up with a well-managed, efficient national health care program.

I am feeling very cynical about our elected government this week.

-- Michael VanDervort</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think health care is a stinking swamp from which there is no clear path for escape.  You can&#8217;t live with it, and you probably won&#8217;t live long without it if something bad happens.</p>
<p>Money was never good under the HMO incentive concept.  Government can&#8217;t run a program to save their ass. Look at Walter Reed Military Hospital as an example.</p>
<p>John McCain sees health insurance as a taxable revenue stram.  Barack Obama says he has a better plan, but I guess I am not smart enough to understand how it will work, yet.</p>
<p>It seems to me that a country like the US ought to be able to develop a fairly decent national system of basic coverage, which then could be augmented at various levels of coverage or service by the traditioal funders of today: employers, private indviduals, or in some cases, labor organizations.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me started on what some well known large employers might start to do would probably decide to do.</p>
<p>However, the sad reality is that goevernment is more likely to come up with solutions like they did for large joint multi-employer pension plans (think Jimmy Hoffa/Central States Pension Fund, which is perpetually underfunded) than they are to come up with a well-managed, efficient national health care program.</p>
<p>I am feeling very cynical about our elected government this week.</p>
<p>&#8211; Michael VanDervort</p>
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		<title>By: Melina</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/health-insurance-benefits-the-marketplace/#comment-4669</link>
		<dc:creator>Melina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a tough question.  I have lived in 2 countries that offer both (Canada and Greece).  From the experiences I&#039;ve heard in both places, the nationalized system is underfunded and care is often sub-par with long waiting periods. &quot;Upgrading&quot; by paying for health insurance or paying doctors directly (depending on the country) lead to much better care.

From experience on the employer side, in Canada, offering full supplemental health care was incredibly inexpensive, compared to the US.

I can&#039;t imagine the US would ever move to nationalized care completely. It doesn&#039;t fit with our economic system for one, and second, I imagine private medical &quot;clubs&quot; would be created for those willing to pay. (This started happening in Canada a few years ago. ~$3000 per year for access to a private clinic.)

I don&#039;t think there is an easy or clear-cut answer, but having a combination of both, while maybe not the ideal, at least keeps those with nothing able to receive some medical care.

I&#039;m looking forward to seeing more responses. This is a great question/debate.

-Melina</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a tough question.  I have lived in 2 countries that offer both (Canada and Greece).  From the experiences I&#8217;ve heard in both places, the nationalized system is underfunded and care is often sub-par with long waiting periods. &#8220;Upgrading&#8221; by paying for health insurance or paying doctors directly (depending on the country) lead to much better care.</p>
<p>From experience on the employer side, in Canada, offering full supplemental health care was incredibly inexpensive, compared to the US.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t imagine the US would ever move to nationalized care completely. It doesn&#8217;t fit with our economic system for one, and second, I imagine private medical &#8220;clubs&#8221; would be created for those willing to pay. (This started happening in Canada a few years ago. ~$3000 per year for access to a private clinic.)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there is an easy or clear-cut answer, but having a combination of both, while maybe not the ideal, at least keeps those with nothing able to receive some medical care.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to seeing more responses. This is a great question/debate.</p>
<p>-Melina</p>
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		<title>By: Albert</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/health-insurance-benefits-the-marketplace/#comment-4668</link>
		<dc:creator>Albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe it must be a combination of both.  Employers must have access to private plans, while those who are uninsured or underinsured must have access to a nationalized system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe it must be a combination of both.  Employers must have access to private plans, while those who are uninsured or underinsured must have access to a nationalized system.</p>
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