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		<title>By: mszypko</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/paycheck-fairness-act-why-i-support-it/#comment-3678</link>
		<dc:creator>mszypko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh the government is going to tell me how to pay employees? Now that makes sense.  They do such a good job with these things!  (Oh I am sorry if I sounded as if I was being sarcastic .... I was!)

Those who can ... do
Those who cant ... run for office and tell those who can do what to do

Sheesh!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh the government is going to tell me how to pay employees? Now that makes sense.  They do such a good job with these things!  (Oh I am sorry if I sounded as if I was being sarcastic &#8230;. I was!)</p>
<p>Those who can &#8230; do<br />
Those who cant &#8230; run for office and tell those who can do what to do</p>
<p>Sheesh!!!</p>
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		<title>By: HRM Today - Blog Archive &#187; HR</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/paycheck-fairness-act-why-i-support-it/#comment-3676</link>
		<dc:creator>HRM Today - Blog Archive &#187; HR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 04:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] pros are writing about The Paycheck Fairness Act and The Employee Free Choice Act, and I think the discussions are </description>
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		<title>By: HR&#8217;s Strategic Bona Fides &#171; Punk Rock Human Resources</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/paycheck-fairness-act-why-i-support-it/#comment-3681</link>
		<dc:creator>HR&#8217;s Strategic Bona Fides &#171; Punk Rock Human Resources</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] free choice act, grover norquist, paycheck fairness act, shrm      HR pros are writing about The Paycheck Fairness Act and The Employee Free Choice Act, and I think the discussions are &#8212; for the most part &#8212; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] free choice act, grover norquist, paycheck fairness act, shrm      HR pros are writing about The Paycheck Fairness Act and The Employee Free Choice Act, and I think the discussions are &#8212; for the most part &#8212; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Feminism &#38; HR: New Category on Alltop &#171; Punk Rock Human Resources</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/paycheck-fairness-act-why-i-support-it/#comment-3680</link>
		<dc:creator>Feminism &#38; HR: New Category on Alltop &#171; Punk Rock Human Resources</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I won&#8217;t speak for Jenn &#8212; who actually started the dialogue with Neenz &#8212; but I really thought Alltop needed a Feminism category in light of our HR discussions on Sarah Palin, Lily Ledbetter, and the Paycheck Fairness Act. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I won&#8217;t speak for Jenn &#8212; who actually started the dialogue with Neenz &#8212; but I really thought Alltop needed a Feminism category in light of our HR discussions on Sarah Palin, Lily Ledbetter, and the Paycheck Fairness Act. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/paycheck-fairness-act-why-i-support-it/#comment-3679</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

I am a female and an HR professional, and I completely agree with your arguments. Let&#039;s say there were substantial studies done that actually looked at the whole package... Kim listed: &quot;gender, race, national origin, years of related experience AND salary.&quot; You mentioned industry, and I would add job titles and level (entry level etc).

After all that was said and done, I really do believe that this .77 per dollar would be much much less. Would it be exactly even? Well, I think it would vary by industry. In fact, there may be some industries where the numbers fall to slightly favor females, but men might show a slight edge over females in other industries... and I am still okay with this.

If there were truly a large disparity based on gender alone, then I might feel differently, but I don&#039;t think there is. This legislation is going overboard to overcorrect a problem that is not need of much correction at all.

The idea of the class action lawsuits... doesn&#039;t that show what this legislation is really about? We talk about &quot;big bad corporations&quot; all day long... what about the big bad law firms and greedy lawyers looking for class action lawsuits based on frivolous claims to line their own pockets?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>I am a female and an HR professional, and I completely agree with your arguments. Let&#8217;s say there were substantial studies done that actually looked at the whole package&#8230; Kim listed: &#8220;gender, race, national origin, years of related experience AND salary.&#8221; You mentioned industry, and I would add job titles and level (entry level etc).</p>
<p>After all that was said and done, I really do believe that this .77 per dollar would be much much less. Would it be exactly even? Well, I think it would vary by industry. In fact, there may be some industries where the numbers fall to slightly favor females, but men might show a slight edge over females in other industries&#8230; and I am still okay with this.</p>
<p>If there were truly a large disparity based on gender alone, then I might feel differently, but I don&#8217;t think there is. This legislation is going overboard to overcorrect a problem that is not need of much correction at all.</p>
<p>The idea of the class action lawsuits&#8230; doesn&#8217;t that show what this legislation is really about? We talk about &#8220;big bad corporations&#8221; all day long&#8230; what about the big bad law firms and greedy lawyers looking for class action lawsuits based on frivolous claims to line their own pockets?</p>
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		<title>By: Lily Ledbetter: DNC Convention &#38; Paycheck Fairness &#171; Punk Rock Human Resources</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/paycheck-fairness-act-why-i-support-it/#comment-3677</link>
		<dc:creator>Lily Ledbetter: DNC Convention &#38; Paycheck Fairness &#171; Punk Rock Human Resources</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of focusing on Kim Kardashian and other celebrity gossip, I feel compelled to reprint Lily Ledbetter&#8217;s remarks to the DNC convention delegates. Good evening. Many of you are probably asking: Who is that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of focusing on Kim Kardashian and other celebrity gossip, I feel compelled to reprint Lily Ledbetter&#8217;s remarks to the DNC convention delegates. Good evening. Many of you are probably asking: Who is that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: HR Wench</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/paycheck-fairness-act-why-i-support-it/#comment-3662</link>
		<dc:creator>HR Wench</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike, as I commented on your post at your site:

&quot;As to the inequity in between men and women, with women earning $.77 for every $1 much of that can be explained by issues such as career interruption.&quot;

And, discrimination.

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I don&#039;t know all there is to know about this proposed legislation.  Just thinking about researching it some more makes me tired.

What I really want is for crap like what happened to Lilly Ledbetter to not happen anymore.

As Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said at the close of the Ledbetter case (reading a dissent from the bench on behalf of herself and three other justices),

&quot;In our view, the court does not comprehend, or is indifferent to, the insidious way in which women can be victims of pay discrimination,&quot;

And,

&quot;Title VII was meant to govern real-world employment practices, and that world is what the court today ignores.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike, as I commented on your post at your site:</p>
<p>&#8220;As to the inequity in between men and women, with women earning $.77 for every $1 much of that can be explained by issues such as career interruption.&#8221;</p>
<p>And, discrimination.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know all there is to know about this proposed legislation.  Just thinking about researching it some more makes me tired.</p>
<p>What I really want is for crap like what happened to Lilly Ledbetter to not happen anymore.</p>
<p>As Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said at the close of the Ledbetter case (reading a dissent from the bench on behalf of herself and three other justices),</p>
<p>&#8220;In our view, the court does not comprehend, or is indifferent to, the insidious way in which women can be victims of pay discrimination,&#8221;</p>
<p>And,</p>
<p>&#8220;Title VII was meant to govern real-world employment practices, and that world is what the court today ignores.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/paycheck-fairness-act-why-i-support-it/#comment-3661</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kimx2 Thanks for the excellent comments on this post. UR great and your input is welcome *any* time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kimx2 Thanks for the excellent comments on this post. UR great and your input is welcome *any* time.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/paycheck-fairness-act-why-i-support-it/#comment-3660</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can all offer &quot;subjective&quot; commentary on whether inequality in pay is a result of &quot;career interruption&quot; or &quot;market forces&quot; or even discrimination.  Without a true quantitiative analysis that provides gender, race, national origin, years of related experience AND salary - we really don&#039;t know what the root causes are for the inequity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can all offer &#8220;subjective&#8221; commentary on whether inequality in pay is a result of &#8220;career interruption&#8221; or &#8220;market forces&#8221; or even discrimination.  Without a true quantitiative analysis that provides gender, race, national origin, years of related experience AND salary &#8211; we really don&#8217;t know what the root causes are for the inequity.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy Tran</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/paycheck-fairness-act-why-i-support-it/#comment-3665</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy Tran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would only applied your reasoning to company executives.  Have them discuss why they get a bonus and a settlement that is eight figures.

As for the other employees, the problem is each market is very different.  This should work for states, but it shouldn&#039;t be a federal law.  I really think the states should use this approach and find out why these numbers show up and their reasonings.  The federal government would look at the average and would determine if they meet or not meet expectations and that would be tough to determine because each company has a different case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would only applied your reasoning to company executives.  Have them discuss why they get a bonus and a settlement that is eight figures.</p>
<p>As for the other employees, the problem is each market is very different.  This should work for states, but it shouldn&#8217;t be a federal law.  I really think the states should use this approach and find out why these numbers show up and their reasonings.  The federal government would look at the average and would determine if they meet or not meet expectations and that would be tough to determine because each company has a different case.</p>
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