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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/punk-rock-hr-stuff-controversy/#comment-5402</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem really helpful and witty, and you like to use
obscene language like sh*tty to seem cool  and on the
people&#039;s side. But really, you are just a typical uppity
go get um cheerleader capitalist corporate ladder
climbing overpaid consultant who didn&#039;t want to
be a middle manager because you couldn&#039;t
stand the job anymore. Now you just rant
and point the fingers and get others to do
so in a giant thought form vent matrix that
really doesn&#039;t help anyone. Nothing to do
with &#039;punk&#039; rock--a fake persona.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem really helpful and witty, and you like to use<br />
obscene language like sh*tty to seem cool  and on the<br />
people&#8217;s side. But really, you are just a typical uppity<br />
go get um cheerleader capitalist corporate ladder<br />
climbing overpaid consultant who didn&#8217;t want to<br />
be a middle manager because you couldn&#8217;t<br />
stand the job anymore. Now you just rant<br />
and point the fingers and get others to do<br />
so in a giant thought form vent matrix that<br />
really doesn&#8217;t help anyone. Nothing to do<br />
with &#8216;punk&#8217; rock&#8211;a fake persona.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Green</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/punk-rock-hr-stuff-controversy/#comment-5401</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As John Hollan wrote, &quot;Thank-you notes are about manners and civility, about acknowledging that someone took their time to meet with you personally.&quot;

Not only do I send notes, I write them on deckle-edged, cotton-rag paper with a real fountain pen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As John Hollan wrote, &#8220;Thank-you notes are about manners and civility, about acknowledging that someone took their time to meet with you personally.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not only do I send notes, I write them on deckle-edged, cotton-rag paper with a real fountain pen.</p>
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		<title>By: HRM Today - Blog Archive &#187; The HR Potter Challenge</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/punk-rock-hr-stuff-controversy/#comment-5400</link>
		<dc:creator>HRM Today - Blog Archive &#187; The HR Potter Challenge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Potter left a comment on my blog and told me that she frowns upon thank you notes. She is so hard core that she akshully rejects [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Potter left a comment on my blog and told me that she frowns upon thank you notes. She is so hard core that she akshully rejects [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The HR Potter Challenge &#171; Punk Rock Human Resources</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/punk-rock-hr-stuff-controversy/#comment-5403</link>
		<dc:creator>The HR Potter Challenge &#171; Punk Rock Human Resources</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] HR , advice , human resources , recruiting Tags: breanne potter, thank you notes      Breanne Potter left a comment on my blog and told me that she frowns upon thank you notes. She is so hard core that she akshully rejects [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] HR , advice , human resources , recruiting Tags: breanne potter, thank you notes      Breanne Potter left a comment on my blog and told me that she frowns upon thank you notes. She is so hard core that she akshully rejects [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/punk-rock-hr-stuff-controversy/#comment-5404</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@A Your common-sense approach makes sense. I&#039;m not saying DON&#039;T DO IT. I&#039;m just saying, meh, makes no difference to people like me.

@John I&#039;m conceding on the merit of manners &amp; doing something for the sake of being civil &amp; courteous. The old-school line of thinking is that thank=you-letters make a difference in the hiring process. They may make a difference and influence the collective unconscious -- and we might have a better society if everyone sent thank you notes. I&#039;m just saying that they are not difference makers. If you&#039;re looking for the edge in the interview process, look elsewhere.

@Breanne You are totes a shit-disturber and it&#039;s killing me!!

@Melissa Oh man, I love it when Breanne stirs it up on my blog. I&#039;m not sure she would &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; look down on someone for sending a thank-you-note, but I&#039;m 100% sure that it&#039;s the most awesome, punk rock HR thing I&#039;ve read in a very long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@A Your common-sense approach makes sense. I&#8217;m not saying DON&#8217;T DO IT. I&#8217;m just saying, meh, makes no difference to people like me.</p>
<p>@John I&#8217;m conceding on the merit of manners &amp; doing something for the sake of being civil &amp; courteous. The old-school line of thinking is that thank=you-letters make a difference in the hiring process. They may make a difference and influence the collective unconscious &#8212; and we might have a better society if everyone sent thank you notes. I&#8217;m just saying that they are not difference makers. If you&#8217;re looking for the edge in the interview process, look elsewhere.</p>
<p>@Breanne You are totes a shit-disturber and it&#8217;s killing me!!</p>
<p>@Melissa Oh man, I love it when Breanne stirs it up on my blog. I&#8217;m not sure she would <i>really</i> look down on someone for sending a thank-you-note, but I&#8217;m 100% sure that it&#8217;s the most awesome, punk rock HR thing I&#8217;ve read in a very long time.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/punk-rock-hr-stuff-controversy/#comment-5406</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Breanne - I&#039;m a Gen X/Y borderline as well but the notion that a thank you note = brown nosing/suck up tactic just seems absurd to me.

Sure, it does eat up 8.5 seconds of my day to open (especially paper mail - gasp!) the card, and read through it&#039;s 2 paragraphs... but I don&#039;t think this qualifies as wasting my time.  If I&#039;m going to start taking issue with time wasters, I&#039;ll focus my annoyance on candidates who apply to my open positions and are clearly not qualified, have not read the job description and still somehow think it makes sense to click the &quot;apply&quot; button.  But for someone who not only read through my ridiculously long job description, put together a thorough, well-written resume and/or cover letter which opened the door to the interview... the least I can do is read their 2 paragraphs and move on.

Will their letter make me hire them?  No.  But to rule them out because they took time to follow up with me when they weren&#039;t required to... that just seems like crazy-talk!  That immediately rules out a large portion of potentially awesome employees who made the &quot;mistake&quot; of thanking you again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breanne &#8211; I&#8217;m a Gen X/Y borderline as well but the notion that a thank you note = brown nosing/suck up tactic just seems absurd to me.</p>
<p>Sure, it does eat up 8.5 seconds of my day to open (especially paper mail &#8211; gasp!) the card, and read through it&#8217;s 2 paragraphs&#8230; but I don&#8217;t think this qualifies as wasting my time.  If I&#8217;m going to start taking issue with time wasters, I&#8217;ll focus my annoyance on candidates who apply to my open positions and are clearly not qualified, have not read the job description and still somehow think it makes sense to click the &#8220;apply&#8221; button.  But for someone who not only read through my ridiculously long job description, put together a thorough, well-written resume and/or cover letter which opened the door to the interview&#8230; the least I can do is read their 2 paragraphs and move on.</p>
<p>Will their letter make me hire them?  No.  But to rule them out because they took time to follow up with me when they weren&#8217;t required to&#8230; that just seems like crazy-talk!  That immediately rules out a large portion of potentially awesome employees who made the &#8220;mistake&#8221; of thanking you again.</p>
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		<title>By: Breanne Potter</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/punk-rock-hr-stuff-controversy/#comment-5405</link>
		<dc:creator>Breanne Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love a good HR controversy!!!

My response to John Hollon:

I actually looked down upon someone sending me a thank you note after an interview. My thoughts are that if I wanted to hire you, I already would have based on your skills. The thank you note is a suck-up/brown nosing technique and I am not moved by it, rather actually annoyed. Save a tree, and save my time- don\</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love a good HR controversy!!!</p>
<p>My response to John Hollon:</p>
<p>I actually looked down upon someone sending me a thank you note after an interview. My thoughts are that if I wanted to hire you, I already would have based on your skills. The thank you note is a suck-up/brown nosing technique and I am not moved by it, rather actually annoyed. Save a tree, and save my time- don\</p>
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		<title>By: John Hollon</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/punk-rock-hr-stuff-controversy/#comment-5408</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hollon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurie -- It&#039;s highly debatable if I am smarter than you, or anyone else for that matter, but here&#039;s where I have trouble with your logic on thank-you notes:

* Thank-you notes don&#039;t determine if I am going to hire a person or not, ergo, thank-you notes are a waste of time that people shouldn&#039;t spend their effort on.

I still think you are missing the boat here. I agree completely that you never hire a person because of a thank-you note -- I never have, in all the hires I have made -- but, that doesn&#039;t mean thank-you notes are without value.

Thank-you notes are about manners and civility, about acknowledging that someone took their time to meet with you personally. And I would make the case that in this day and age, when recruiting and hiring is incredibly distant and impersonal, a thank you note is even more important than ever before.

The save-a-tree argument is nonsense. That&#039;s PC run amuck and is hardly a reason to be discourteous. In my book, sending a thank-you note is always the right thing to do. Must we always look to do something only because we think it will gain us some advantage? Why not do something because it is courteous, civil, and right? Yes, sending a thank-you note after a job interview is old school, but as I said in my blog, good manners never go out of style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurie &#8212; It&#8217;s highly debatable if I am smarter than you, or anyone else for that matter, but here&#8217;s where I have trouble with your logic on thank-you notes:</p>
<p>* Thank-you notes don&#8217;t determine if I am going to hire a person or not, ergo, thank-you notes are a waste of time that people shouldn&#8217;t spend their effort on.</p>
<p>I still think you are missing the boat here. I agree completely that you never hire a person because of a thank-you note &#8212; I never have, in all the hires I have made &#8212; but, that doesn&#8217;t mean thank-you notes are without value.</p>
<p>Thank-you notes are about manners and civility, about acknowledging that someone took their time to meet with you personally. And I would make the case that in this day and age, when recruiting and hiring is incredibly distant and impersonal, a thank you note is even more important than ever before.</p>
<p>The save-a-tree argument is nonsense. That&#8217;s PC run amuck and is hardly a reason to be discourteous. In my book, sending a thank-you note is always the right thing to do. Must we always look to do something only because we think it will gain us some advantage? Why not do something because it is courteous, civil, and right? Yes, sending a thank-you note after a job interview is old school, but as I said in my blog, good manners never go out of style.</p>
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		<title>By: A.</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/punk-rock-hr-stuff-controversy/#comment-5407</link>
		<dc:creator>A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a candidate&#039;s perspective, you never know how an interviewer or hiring manager is going to feel about thank you notes - just look at the range of responses here!  Personally, I think it&#039;s better to err on the side of sending one.  It may give you an edge, but if not, no harm done (and the paper can always be recycled).  It&#039;s a &quot;nice-to-do&quot;, not a &quot;need-to-do&quot;, but to me a well-written, personalized thank you note conveys a certain thoughtfulness and attention to detail, and I don&#039;t think that&#039;s a bad thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a candidate&#8217;s perspective, you never know how an interviewer or hiring manager is going to feel about thank you notes &#8211; just look at the range of responses here!  Personally, I think it&#8217;s better to err on the side of sending one.  It may give you an edge, but if not, no harm done (and the paper can always be recycled).  It&#8217;s a &#8220;nice-to-do&#8221;, not a &#8220;need-to-do&#8221;, but to me a well-written, personalized thank you note conveys a certain thoughtfulness and attention to detail, and I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
		<link>http://punkrockhr.com/punk-rock-hr-stuff-controversy/#comment-5409</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andy I love Jason Seiden but the person with the best skills has the edge. No two people are ever alike.

@heyrocker I think this is a generational issue, but I&#039;m 33 and we&#039;re not very far apart in age.

@Jimmy My grandmother wants thank you letters. She also wants oatmeal, prunes, and to be left alone during the Wheel/Jeopardy hour.

@Michael I like your perspective. Why do we give a shit about thank you notes? Can we be more irrelevant as a function?

@J.Lee I&#039;m 22.5 -- just like my age. :) Thank you, again, for the ranking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andy I love Jason Seiden but the person with the best skills has the edge. No two people are ever alike.</p>
<p>@heyrocker I think this is a generational issue, but I&#8217;m 33 and we&#8217;re not very far apart in age.</p>
<p>@Jimmy My grandmother wants thank you letters. She also wants oatmeal, prunes, and to be left alone during the Wheel/Jeopardy hour.</p>
<p>@Michael I like your perspective. Why do we give a shit about thank you notes? Can we be more irrelevant as a function?</p>
<p>@J.Lee I&#8217;m 22.5 &#8212; just like my age. <img src='http://punkrockhr.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thank you, again, for the ranking!</p>
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